From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Nov 27 20:40:11 1999 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, November 27 1999 Volume 01 : Number 628 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #627 Re: fsj: carbs fsj: A/C Condenser Re: fsj: A/C Condenser Re: fsj: Re: parts sources fsj: Re: J20 For Sale Re: fsj: Re: parts sources fsj: found on ebay... fsj: Re:Still For Sale: '83 Wagoneer with '78 WT running gear > Re: fsj: A/C Condenser Re: fsj: Re:Still For Sale: '83 Wagoneer with '78 WT running gear > Re: fsj: A/C Condenser fsj: 83 Wagoneer RE: fsj: Re:Still For Sale: '83 Wagoneer with '78 WT running gear > Re: fsj: FSJ color Re: fsj: Re: parts sources Re: fsj: Re: xj: question on hubs FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 04:04:46 EST From: Grtdaneguy-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #627 Okay guys, I have the standard original issue carb on my 81 wagon. Should I stay with it or change it out? I have a 2 bbl 360 V-8. Carb in now runs great. What do you think??? Joe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 01:14:45 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: carbs At 04:04 AM 11/27/99 EST, Grtdaneguy-at-aol.com wrote: > Okay guys, > I have the standard original issue carb on my 81 wagon. Should I stay with >it or change it out? I have a 2 bbl 360 V-8. Carb in now runs great. What do >you think??? Joe it's always a good idea to leave well enough alone... :) However, if you switch to the Edelbrock Performer manifold and 1406 carb you will see a minor increase in fuel economy, about 1 mpg or more, improved smoothness of your engine, a slight increase in power and an overall better feel to it. Is it worth about $400 plus labor to switch it over? If money isn't an issue, then go with the performer cam, manifold and the TBI setup... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:39:07 -0700 From: Lee Smith Subject: fsj: A/C Condenser In my '84 GW, AMC installed the A/C condenser at a angle to the radiator and spaced it a inch or so away from it. Does anyone on the list know why they didn't install it vertical (parallel) and closer to the radiator? I want to put an electric fan in the cooling air stream and I don't want to use the "hook to tubes" method that a lot of fan manufacturers use since I 'off-road' and the radiator core is not a structural unit. There are four or five holes in the front clip that look like they were used to mount the old style (late 60's) grill with which would make an excellent mounting location were it not for the condenser. Any thoughts on subject appreciated. Lee Smith '84 stock GW (The Money Pit) TF727 w/3.31, NP229, Dana 44, AMC/Jeep Chandler, AZ smithly-at-neta.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:00:03 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: A/C Condenser I'm sure they did that to make sure air flowed through the radiator. Sounds like you've got a good plan in NOT using the radiator fins to hold the fan. What I did on my 67 was to use an electric fan from a European car... I don't recall (would have to look at the FourWheeler Garage scenes article to see what it said) whether it was a Fiat or Mercedes Fan. The electric fan on any 123 chassis mercedes would probably fit across the opening and mount to the support. My Honcho had only the electric fan... it failed and I overheated. I reinstalled the factory setup and it's been fine ever since. The clutch type fans used on our rigs does not waste fuel like the old fixed blade units of old. :) Also, on all my FSJ's I've never had an overheating problem with the stock fan while wheeling or pulling... even with the A/C on... They have plenty of capacity and if you have a good radiator and T-stat you're probably ok... having an electric fan would help the tranny cooler and a/c though... :) john At 08:39 AM 11/27/99 -0700, Lee Smith wrote: >In my '84 GW, AMC installed the A/C condenser at a angle to the radiator > >and spaced it a inch or so away from it. Does anyone on the list know >why they didn't install it vertical (parallel) and closer to the >radiator? I want to put an electric fan in the cooling air stream and >I don't want to use the "hook to tubes" method that a lot of fan >manufacturers use since I 'off-road' and the radiator core is not a >structural unit. There are four or five holes in the front clip that >look like they were used to mount the old style (late 60's) grill with >which would make an excellent mounting location were it not for the >condenser. Any thoughts on subject appreciated. > >Lee Smith >'84 stock GW (The Money Pit) >TF727 w/3.31, NP229, Dana 44, AMC/Jeep >Chandler, AZ >smithly-at-neta.com > > > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:17:52 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: parts sources It came up as a broken link http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=DieselJohn&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 - -------------------------------------- Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:40:29 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: J20 For Sale I'm selling my 80 J10 Honcho, new motor, but with body damage, no rust, for $3,000, was asking $3,500, but am selling it to a list friend... Based on what I'm seeing in that picture, it's easily a $3,000 to $4,000 truck. I can understand the kidney thing. :) 3/4t trucks ride really rough... :) usually... That's why I've stuck with the J10s... softer suspension, nicer ride and so on... but the problem of passengers still exists... was gonna sell my 81 300D as well, but my family pointed out that there are 4 of us and only 2 can fit in my "new" 83 J10 stepside. :) I'll put the picture and your note up on my webserver at http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/J20s/Freds-79-J20/ And, I'm cc'ing the FSJ list. :) At 10:36 AM 11/27/99 -0700, Fred and Rackel Haskell wrote: >>>> Hello, I'm trying to sell my 1979 J20... Here's a brief rundown and a picture. Any suggestions you have for a buyer and a fair asking price are welcome! - - 1979 J20 (6800 GVW model) - - 360, Edlebrock performer pkg (cam, carb, intake) - - T-18 tranny (recently rebuilt) - - Dana-20 - - Dana 60 rear w/limited slip (3.73) - - Dana 44 front - - 9.75X16.5 turbine wheels - - 2" lift - - Original paint - - Very straight body, zero bondo and never wrecked My father-in-law bought the truck new in Hawaii in 1979 and I bought it from him about 7 years ago. I have done all the work on the beast myself and it has never let me down. I'm selling it because my family of 4 can't squeeze into the cab together. We bought an XJ so we can go together and not jar our kidneys out. I had a guy offer me 1500 for it and I told him to go buy a rusted out Chevy. I'm in Colorado Springs, phone # is (719) 472-9636. Thanks, Fred Haskell Attachment Converted: "c:\my documents\eudora-john\attach\Truck 4 Sale.jpg" <<<< - ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com 81 300D (123) / 88 wagoneer ltd (xj) / 83 J10 stepside (SJ) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/J10s/johns-83-Stepside/ http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/J10s/marks-67-J3000/ (son's FSJ) http://wagoneers.com/john/JEEP/Vehicle-History.html http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:47:55 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: parts sources At 11:17 AM 11/27/99 -0800, James Blair wrote: >It came up as a broken link > http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&us erid=DieselJohn&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 > it just worked when I double clicked on it... it may be that I have a cookie that permits it... so do this then, go to: http://pages.ebay.com/search/items/search.html and go down to "BY SELLER", and enter: dieseljohn and voila... a list of goodies shall pop forth on your screen... happy shopping... (free delivery to Seattle area... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:17:03 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: found on ebay... wow... check this beauty out... :) 65 Jeep Wagoneer 71000 orig. miles-No Reserve http://www.mindspring.com/~mindyloo/forsale.html http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=205499025 john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:11:32 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re:Still For Sale: '83 Wagoneer with '78 WT running gear > This situation distresses me. I don't have space or money, but I hate to see all this good FSJ stuff going to waste. I don't know what can be done about it. There must be someone in the world who wants a Wag. Whatever happened to that guy in Toronto that couldn't sell his? Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:23:25 -0700 From: Lee Smith Subject: Re: fsj: A/C Condenser Got it! Thanks. With regards to the cooling of an FSJ, all us jeepers in the desert are always trying to find a new scheme to keep the beasts from overheating. Hard work in low rpm seems to run up the temperature pretty quick in 100 degree+ days. I'm using a new (rebuilt radiator with 4 rows of 5/16" tubes) radiator and a 195 degree 'stat. It seems that I have to replace the fan clutches every couple years and that is too much for me. I'd rather be playing. I recently purchased a flex fan (wihich is an inch too ssmall) and thought I'd experiment with it. That was before I was subscribed to the FSJ digests. Perma-Cool originally stated an 18" fan would be the replacement for my stock fan but since I was so unhappy with it's performance they're going to send me one with a 19" dia. It will fit with the shroud with 1/2" all around and I am curious to see what effect it has when I'm working it hard. The thing to do is instrument several point in the system with thermo couples and hook them up to a data recorder. Hmm ... Lee Smith '84 stock GW (The Money Pit) TF727 w/3.31, NP229, Dana 44, AMC/Jeep Chandler, AZ smithly-at-neta.com john wrote: > > I'm sure they did that to make sure air flowed through the radiator. > Sounds like you've got a good plan in NOT using the radiator fins > to hold the fan. > > What I did on my 67 was to use an electric fan from a European > car... I don't recall (would have to look at the FourWheeler Garage > scenes article to see what it said) whether it was a Fiat or Mercedes > Fan. > > The electric fan on any 123 chassis mercedes would probably fit across > the opening and mount to the support. > > My Honcho had only the electric fan... it failed and I overheated. > I reinstalled the factory setup and it's been fine ever since. The > clutch type fans used on our rigs does not waste fuel like the old > fixed blade units of old. :) > > Also, on all my FSJ's I've never had an overheating problem with the > stock fan while wheeling or pulling... even with the A/C on... They > have plenty of capacity and if you have a good radiator and T-stat > you're probably ok... having an electric fan would help the tranny > cooler and a/c though... :) > > john > > At 08:39 AM 11/27/99 -0700, Lee Smith wrote: > >In my '84 GW, AMC installed the A/C condenser at a angle to the radiator > > > >and spaced it a inch or so away from it. Does anyone on the list know > >why they didn't install it vertical (parallel) and closer to the > >radiator? I want to put an electric fan in the cooling air stream and > >I don't want to use the "hook to tubes" method that a lot of fan > >manufacturers use since I 'off-road' and the radiator core is not a > >structural unit. There are four or five holes in the front clip that > >look like they were used to mount the old style (late 60's) grill with > >which would make an excellent mounting location were it not for the > >condenser. Any thoughts on subject appreciated. > > > >Lee Smith > >'84 stock GW (The Money Pit) > >TF727 w/3.31, NP229, Dana 44, AMC/Jeep > >Chandler, AZ > >smithly-at-neta.com > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:29:06 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re:Still For Sale: '83 Wagoneer with '78 WT running gear > It's rough... maybe we should petition Bill Gates to set up a fund to purchase, restore and hold all these beautiful rigs until an adoption can be arranged... ;) Last I heard the Toronto Wag was being considered by Ray... It was also a screamin' deal... :( At least one waggy is safe... the one out on the east coast was rescued... :) Looks like RJ is very soon to be the proud owner of a very nice Honcho. The financing is in place... next step is paperwork and then having RJ come out and get it. I bet he's excited... Everyone seems to be happy... my wife, me, RJ, his girlfriend... well... gotta run, gonna try and get in touch with Jim to see if he's home... john At 04:11 PM 11/27/99 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >This situation distresses me. I don't have space or money, but I hate to see >all this good FSJ stuff going to waste. I don't know what can be done about >it. There must be someone in the world who wants a Wag. > >Whatever happened to that guy in Toronto that couldn't sell his? > >Ben Williams >'71 Wagoneer >'78 F-250 > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:30:26 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: A/C Condenser the other option is external oil and tranny coolers mounted under the frame... and of course Synthetic lubricants... john At 02:23 PM 11/27/99 -0700, Lee Smith wrote: >Got it! Thanks. > >With regards to the cooling of an FSJ, all us jeepers in the desert >are always trying to find a new scheme to keep the beasts from >overheating. Hard work in low rpm seems to run up the temperature >pretty quick in 100 degree+ days. I'm using a new (rebuilt radiator >with 4 rows of 5/16" tubes) radiator and a 195 degree 'stat. It seems >that I have to replace the fan clutches every couple years and that is >too much for me. I'd rather be playing. I recently purchased a flex >fan (wihich is an inch too ssmall) and thought I'd experiment with >it. That was before I was subscribed to the FSJ digests. Perma-Cool >originally stated an 18" fan would be the replacement for my stock fan >but since I was so unhappy with it's performance they're going to send >me one with a 19" dia. It will fit with the shroud with 1/2" all >around and I am curious to see what effect it has when I'm working it >hard. > >The thing to do is instrument several point in the system with thermo >couples and hook them up to a data recorder. Hmm ... > >Lee Smith >'84 stock GW (The Money Pit) >TF727 w/3.31, NP229, Dana 44, AMC/Jeep >Chandler, AZ >smithly-at-neta.com > >john wrote: >> >> I'm sure they did that to make sure air flowed through the radiator. >> Sounds like you've got a good plan in NOT using the radiator fins >> to hold the fan. >> >> What I did on my 67 was to use an electric fan from a European >> car... I don't recall (would have to look at the FourWheeler Garage >> scenes article to see what it said) whether it was a Fiat or Mercedes >> Fan. >> >> The electric fan on any 123 chassis mercedes would probably fit across >> the opening and mount to the support. >> >> My Honcho had only the electric fan... it failed and I overheated. >> I reinstalled the factory setup and it's been fine ever since. The >> clutch type fans used on our rigs does not waste fuel like the old >> fixed blade units of old. :) >> >> Also, on all my FSJ's I've never had an overheating problem with the >> stock fan while wheeling or pulling... even with the A/C on... They >> have plenty of capacity and if you have a good radiator and T-stat >> you're probably ok... having an electric fan would help the tranny >> cooler and a/c though... :) >> >> john >> >> At 08:39 AM 11/27/99 -0700, Lee Smith wrote: >> >In my '84 GW, AMC installed the A/C condenser at a angle to the radiator >> > >> >and spaced it a inch or so away from it. Does anyone on the list know >> >why they didn't install it vertical (parallel) and closer to the >> >radiator? I want to put an electric fan in the cooling air stream and >> >I don't want to use the "hook to tubes" method that a lot of fan >> >manufacturers use since I 'off-road' and the radiator core is not a >> >structural unit. There are four or five holes in the front clip that >> >look like they were used to mount the old style (late 60's) grill with >> >which would make an excellent mounting location were it not for the >> >condenser. Any thoughts on subject appreciated. >> > >> >Lee Smith >> >'84 stock GW (The Money Pit) >> >TF727 w/3.31, NP229, Dana 44, AMC/Jeep >> >Chandler, AZ >> >smithly-at-neta.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com >> ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> ----------------------------------------------------- > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:43:28 EST From: Grtdaneguy-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: 83 Wagoneer Well, she left me today for Md. She's gonna be rebuilt by a father/son team. I'm grateful to everyone who showed interest and I'm glad she found a home. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:03:06 -0800 From: "Fitzgearld, Fredric" Subject: RE: fsj: Re:Still For Sale: '83 Wagoneer with '78 WT running gear > It is a real sad thing. In my case, this rig has the potential to be something really special. I saved up the pieces for a long time. I just ran into some trouble and have to sell it.... You see.... Since the day I got into FSJ's, I always thought that a Wide track Waggy would be the best of all the Chero/Waggy rigs. I was going to get some WT front fenders from the U-pull it yard and graft the flares to the rear fender. That's the only stuff I'm missing. Heck! The AC even works. I bounced back and forth for nearly 6 months. I had finally decided to keep it when my wife developed some trouble with the pregnancy. Everything is fine now but that put us in a pretty big financial pinch. BTW, I'm selling my HIGHLY modified '69 Bronco for $4000. I would love to see someone finish it. I get sick every time I pull up to the house, you know??? FEF - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 1:29 PM To: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Cc: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: fsj: Re:Still For Sale: '83 Wagoneer with '78 WT running gear > It's rough... maybe we should petition Bill Gates to set up a fund to purchase, restore and hold all these beautiful rigs until an adoption can be arranged... ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 99 18:00 EST From: dan-at-black.org Subject: Re: fsj: FSJ color - --------- {- >http://www.public.iastate.edu/~dsblack/88GW/ {- btw, what is THX mean? thanx? :) Nope, it's George Lucas' quality standards for films and home audio/video equipment. It's named after his first film (and the main character in that film), THX 1138. And there are references to it in many of his films; one of the cars in American Graffiti had the license plate "THX 138" ("THX 1138" was apparently already taken in Iowa), and in Star Wars: A New Hope, they were "transferring prisoner [Chewbacca] from cell block 1138" (or something like that). They have more info at http://www.thx.com/ . - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing is less productive than to make more efficient what should not be done at all. -- Peter Drucker - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 18:32:50 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: parts sources A: Both times when you posted it, there was a break between us erid. It worked fine when I posted. Unix line break maybe? I wrote: >It came up as a broken link http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=DieselJohn&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 - -------------------------------------- Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 18:48:33 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj: question on hubs A: I know you don't NEED hubs with a NP208. It's just nicer to be able to go to 4 lo on the shifter, and be in 2 lo for take off power! Especially when taking off on Ryan hill with a 3 ton trailer behind! I opened up what was left of the '93 Grand Cherokee transfercase, and I still can't tell if it's a NV249 or NV242 (I can't see the viscous clutch, but I can see the planetaries). I'll be posting pics of Elmo's new tires later! (WooHoo!) I'm pretty sure I checked both of the NP229s I have (well the one that's out anyway!) and it's 23 spline. The NP219 I used to have was 21 spline. I didn't see a plugin on the one I had for the emergency light to hook to either? Do they make a SYE for the 242? I read on A/A's site that they still weren't available through them. I wouldn't have any use for a NV231 though, since it's 21 spline (I found one last summer with an AW4 and motor (damaged) for $200 that I passed on, because it would have taken too much extra to put it in Elmo. Besides, I'm not particullary fond of the Renix system (or anything else Renault after what they did to AMC) I wrote: I wish I could put hubs on my Eagle! I'd sooner have a NP208 in it than a NP229. (Did I mention I have a NP229 for sale for $300? Tight chain, and about 50lbs on the VC. It's a fixed rear yoke) John wrote: you don't need hubs to run an NP208 or any other xfr case. My NP242 setup lets the front driveshaft spin even while I'm in 2wd... =A0 (I'm not really exited about wearing the u-joints in the front though...) The NP229 is ok, but it doesn't have a 4wd high lock... For some reason I feel much more secure in my NP219 FSJ rig when I'm cruising along at 60+mph in the snow with that emergency drive light on... ;) The lock up in 4wd high isn't that big of a deal, and the NP229 does lock up in 4wd low... $300? interested in a trade on a nice NP231? I'm assuming your 229 is a 23 spline version as well, right? :) =A0 Still waiting to hear if I've got an NP219... :) The 229 would actually be a better setup though for economy... kind of like an nP208 with 219 capabilities... (actually an NP242 with the slip yoke eliminator would be my first choice, oh yeah, with a 4:1 low range too... :) (dream on john... :) Jim, I need to run down to Woodinville tomorrow, I could take a drive down and pick up that distributer if you're gonna be around. We can chat about the transfer cases then, but just for a little bit, my wife doesn't enjoy waiting while I talk jeeps... :( =A0 (BTW, she's doing better, actually went shopping today... guess she used a wheelchair in the mall, still came home pretty whipped... was having some trouble breathing again... :( We know it's not to be worried about, she just needs to take it easy and rest... anyway... that's my story and I'm sticking to it... :) Maybe I'll see ya tomorrow... john - -------------------------------------- Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #628 *************************